Pro basketball in the 1980s and 90s was different. The superstars were less concerned about their images and their “brands.” They cared about winning and, ideally, trash-talking their opponents while doing it. Today’s NBA stars don’t understand that, which is why Golden State Warriors forward Draymond Green — a throwback trash-talker in the modern NBA — was so surprised when Hall of Famer Gary Payton explained to him that Larry Bird was “the coldest dude I ever seen” when it came to trash talk.

Gary Payton surprised Draymond Green with his Larry Bird stories

On Uninterrupted: Thrown Bones, a show where basketball luminaries and celebrities play dominoes worth Draymond Green, Gary Payton regaled Green, WNBA star and ESPN analyst Chiney Ogwumike, and hip hop star YG with stories of the NBA good ol’ days.

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